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Wednesday, November 01, 2006

Dominant People

At the end of the last post, I considered continuing, but I decided to break this off into a new one. My question was going to be about the people that I can completely deal with, as a matter of fact I can usually honestly say I love them, in a friend-loving way, BUT they seem to think that there is or was a rift between us. That's kind of frustrating because I think to myself, "well you and i have traits that cause us to clash a bit, but I can get past that." But when they assume this rift, it's as if they're saying the same thing, except they CAN'T get past it, which could mean there's something wrong with ME! But what is it?

Let's delve. There are personality tests, and I'll use 2 different ones just in case anyone is familiar with either.
REVIEW:
There are 4 basic personality traits, and people have some degree of all 4. BUT, what decides their personality are the dominant traits. So here are the 4 (I'm not going really deep into this, so you can assume/imagine the rest)
Extroverted:
DOMINANT, lion, my way
INFLUENCE, otter, fun way
Introverted:
STABILITY, golden retreiver, easy way
COMPLIANCE, beaver, right way

I'm going to refer to these as D, I, S, and C, since those are the shortest. I took this test in high school and was and I and an S (with the first one listed, I, being the most dominant trait). Jason, I believe, and I would guess, is a D and a C. Chris, I would guess, is a pretty close race between S and I, with some C in there right before D at the bottom.

The tension between myself and those described in the 2nd sentence of this post is due, I think, to a simple personality difference. Let me use specific examples, keeping in mind that I like both of these people tremendously. Both of these people have specifically pointed out or shown by example or I heard through the grapevine that "we haven't always gotten along."

1.) A.J. has very extroverted characteristics. I would guess D and I are his top 2. I am also extroverted, but my I is very high and my D is pretty low. I think, "We can get along, we just could eventually get on each other's nerves if together for too long." He probably thinks close to the same thing, but I have a feeling his dominant D makes him deep down think, "there's not enough room in this town for the both of us."

2.) Laura Hal. is also a D. I guess I didn't need two separate sections, huh?

So, in summary, two extroverted people, particularly if at least one is a D, have a much higher tendency of clashing since they're often strong-willed, thick-headed, and crazy. That's why many couples naturally turn out to be a mix of extro- and introverts. For example, Jason (straight out of the lion's den) and Jessica (such a S-weetie), Adam (can act extro- but is technically intro-, an S to be exact) and Laura ( extro-), Shawn and Amy.

Interesting and personal side-note: introverts can be together, but one of them has to be able to take the extroverted position sometimes. For this reason, Shawn and Amy works better than Jon and Amy. At least 16-year-old Jon, BUT THERE AIN'T NO SECOND CHANCES IN THIS GAME, BABY!!!

For some reason, Jason and I don't clash. Not that we haven't ever, but it was never long-lasting. Maybe it's because subconsciously, we know we both have extroverted/dominant characteristics, so we choose to never compete for the same position. For example, we don't cowrite a blog, because that's not natural for us. We've had leadership questions before, but there were clear delineations between positions and it ended up working fine. Once I had to submit to Jason regarding something at camp since he was head counselor, I can't remember the issue. In a different leadership position that we were forced to somewhat share, Jason decided to concede leadership to me to avoid confrontation.

J and AJ may have band related clashes, naturally and predictably. Jon could have band issues with Dan and the rest of the band, but as an introvert, Jon would bring the issue to someone else instead of actually speaking with Dan.

I always used to be able to show my true "I" to family and even some people in grade/junior high school, unless they were too cool. When I hung around with certain people, though, my "I" was completely snuffed. All these people were very strong D or I, while I was just a fresh social "I." There was Josh M, AJ, Joe V, Drew S, Dan Z, etc. You could not even get a word out without one of these guys making a joke over you. I have never stopped being intimidated by Josh M, probably because I haven't seen him for a few years. When you're around him, he's just so extraordinarilly confident and ADHD (and admittedly, funny), that I could never shake the feeling that nothing I said was funny enough, or at least he was ready to jump in and take over again.

I think this kind of psychology is interesting. Was I destined to turn out the way I did? What if I just never hung out with those kids again? Would my personality finally find its way out in a different circle of friends? Would it be the same?

Actually, my personality didn't find its way out in that circle of friends. It was with other friends, my best friend was always someone less dominant than me. Interesting. Then, after I was a little more confident, I could mingle in the other circle, but without ever really feeling a confident equal until a couple years ago.

Please share your experience and thoughts.

12 Comments:

  • At 8:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Actually, I had very low D on that test. I was mostly C and S, as I recall. There is a good chance that might have changed a lot recently (I'm not as compliant as I used to be, since my inner nonconformist took over...heh heh), but I think it might be basically the same. Jess is probably a mix of C and D. But that's just a guess. She definately isn't all "eaSy way" (which I still have a lot of...she's a hard worker, which I admire about her). She is more reserved when she does fun things, she doesn't like to make a spectacle of herself. I am sometimes alright with making a spectacle of myself, but I often end up retreating when i feel like I am being too much of an idiot. It would be interesting to take that test again.

    Josh McClatcher...that guy...
    I am so glad I don't feel like I have to prove myself to anybody anymore. That was an annoying stage. He was so intense. And even the way that AJ and I relate is better. I used to feel suppressed, like everything was for his approval. Now I speak my mind more openly, attempting to be independant of other peoples opinions. This helps me to be better friends with AJ because it levels the playing field; I am not trying too hard to live up to him anymore. I am who I am, eff the world. jk, jk...

    It actually took leaving that band for my personality and confidence to flourish. And even though Phil was a strong influence on my desire for knowledge, I had to distance myself from him to figure out what I believed by myself. I am a different person since I got married, too. I can look at typical "Zito" traits more objectively and try to decide what is best about how to act. I don't always do it, I am still deeply who I was, but the changes are good. It is amazing how human beings affect one another. I would not be who I am without the people in my life.

     
  • At 8:37 AM, Blogger Chris Trumble said…

    can i take this test somewhere? i think i'd be all over the place.

    this was a seriously awesome post my the way. i am not one to investigate the inner workings of friendships (does that make me a NOTItIWoF?)
    but this is good stuff. i think that my letter changes as im in the presence of different sets of people. it's interesting if you think of the 4 characteristics a sliders on a mixing board, with values of one to 10. say I'm with
    Dave, Justin, Jon and Fet. my dominant slider would go way up, and i would be more outgoing. (by the way I'm trying to put influence and introvert together to get an otter, and i don't get that one.) say it's me, jason, shawn. i think there's a good personality balance. everyone would fairly step up or down with no jockeying for dominance. see what i mean? also in the last instance there's an interesting dynamic if common and varied interests or experiences. jay and i talk about the band, shawn is left out. shawn and i talk about technical stuff. shawn and jay talk about growing up. thats a whole different topic though i guess. i have more to say, but im all over the place as it is. who's next?

     
  • At 8:48 AM, Blogger Chris Trumble said…

    i found this goofy site and read the explanations. I think I'm am without a doubt a golden retriever in most situations.

    http://www.new-life.net/persnty1.htm

     
  • At 10:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    yeah other people definately affect my personality, like the sound board you mention. i think it has to do with how we expect a person to treat us, what defenses we raise if any, etc.


    i just took a DISC test and the results were VERY different than the last time i took it. that makes me feel good.

    (out of 100)
    d=20
    i=44
    s=16
    c=20

    i dont think its perfectly accurate...there were some questions i couldnt answer just right. but it reflects the person i am/trying to be lately.

    according to the evaluation, i want peace and harmony, i like people, i like variety rather than routine, and am independant, willing to try new things. this is hugely different than the results i got back in high school.

     
  • At 10:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    http://www.mtselect.co.uk/testing/results.htm

    its not the best but it worked.

     
  • At 10:19 AM, Blogger shawn said…

    chris- i think i actually kept a copy of the stuff somewhere so i could use it again eventually, and i remember it being very thorough, which is why i might be hesitant to find some random website. If i can find that, we should definitely have a personality party. All take the test and then just be entertained. The good thing is that it doesn't embarrass anyone, because there is nothing wrong with any particular trait. Rather, it helps you understand and relate to one another.

    I have an addition to your statement about the slider for each trait. That makes good logical sense, but here's an alternate way to look at it. They're NOT sliders, they're relatively constant, but with different categories of people, you seem more "dominant" or more "average" or "shy" because of your traits in comparison with theirs. You're not suddenly completely dominant when you're with Dave, Justin, Jon, and Fet, it's just that they're pussies. JK. But when you're with them, your mixture of traits is definitely more dominant than any of theirs.

    Jason- I'm glad you corrected me. It may explain why I do get along with you. The reason we've ever butted heads, and that I assumed you may be a D, might come from your C. C is often classified as a perfectionist, and YOU my friend...
    It seems to make sense that "the RIGHT way" can sound like "MY way." That would also explain any band clashes with AJ.

     
  • At 10:55 AM, Blogger shawn said…

    This test gave me much higher extro- ratings than in high school:

    (out of 100)
    d=32
    i=52
    s=12
    c=4

    My D and S traded spots. Now I'm more dominant and less nice. That test is tricky, because i kind of wanted to answer the "nice" response on some of them, but I had to honestly answer that one of the other answers was a stronger match.

     
  • At 11:14 AM, Blogger Chris Trumble said…

    YEAH THAT TEST IS KIND OF GOOFY. oopscaps. i almost wish you could answer yes or no to each q, then there would be more leeway rather than settling for an answer thats not 100% true. my results:

    D) 16
    I) 40
    S) 20
    C) 24

     
  • At 11:18 AM, Blogger Chris Trumble said…

    YEAH SHAWN, YOUR PROBABLY RIGHT. dang these autocad caps. it's almost like there's a room total and between everyone you fill it. in that room i would be the closest to a dominant person, probably followed by justin, fet, dave and jon in that order

     
  • At 12:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    yeah i think its only somewhat accurate...like you said, shawn...the one we took back in hs was very thorough.

     
  • At 5:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    what did the cannabal do after eating his girlfriend??....
    .....wiped his butt.

    by:
    Josh Mclatcher

     
  • At 4:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Ha, hey josh, how you been?

    -tranchiturn

     

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